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Paul Conway created the topic: Van Halen Belt stopped us going to the MOON?
Ok so there are some (the numbers seem to be growing these days thanks to the web) that say we humans have NOT been or set foot on the Moon.
The main reason usually given by them is the 'Van Halen Belt' there are two, an inner and an outer.
Some say just passing into and through this 1st inner belt would have too much radiation for us as an organic species whilst others say if we did get past this the outer belt (for a time there was actually three belts but i understand it is now gone) then the rest of space and the radiation there would eventually kill them.
So, although today i have reservations about many things NASA say with regards to things seemingly discovered and not discovered
i have to say that surely NASA would NOT get the SCIENCE part wrong, especially something as important as this?
"The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans travelled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation
hazards known by mission planners.
The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them.
Apollo flight trajectories bypassed the inner belts completely to send spacecraft through only the thinner areas of the outer belts.
Astronauts' overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field.
The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy),
much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity"
THANKS to Wikipedia for the above info but i also liked this guys response to this question also...in the end you have to trust in yourself and those you think might (hopefully) be telling you the truth, it's not always the case but we have to learn.
www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html
And a here's super graphic showing the Belts...
www.nasa.gov/images/content/730041main_20130228-mona2.jpg
I also do not understand those that say the Earth is flat! how can it be so? it makes no sense! and surely one way or another this would have been found out, it is NONSENSE, ok I have never set course by way of a compass and travelled exactly on that course setting from home to then return home having travelled around the Earth but if i did i would fully expect this to happen because the Eath is oval shaped (slightly) and NOT flat! ending up at some edge or wall (Good film that "Truman Show" btw)
It sure would be one hell of a 'Planet of the Apes' Statue of Liberty moment if by some 0.01% chance this had somehow been covererd up and it were true and we were all living on a domed planet (as i don't think these folks truly mean flat or perhaps they do ) and the same goes with...
Those that say we have not been to the MOON...take a look at those MOON pictures including those taken onboard the APOLLO 17 rover by Edgar Mitchell & i think the late Eugene Cernan who was also in the Rover? and who sadly died recently aged 82, they sure do look other worldly, so somehow they found a way to protect these astronauts from any dangerous radiation rays (as explained above) and got them back safe, I am sure they would not have sent those folks up there knowing they either wouldn't make it or would die soon after return, it seems to me that these ASTRONAUTS are
making it to good numbers years afterwards (probably another argument for those folks saying they didn't go) although sadly we have recently lost Mr Cernan and Mr Edgar Mitchell (GOD BLESS you Sir, he stood up and tried to get the truth out to you folks in later life) and Mr Glen, i do hope Buzz lives another 10 or 20 years (after this recent incident) and maybe he might even reflect upon this (if he hasn't already) and say to hell with this and let
us know just what they really saw up there with regards to APOLLO 11 & all those other MISSIONS....not holding my breath.
Mentioned this before but it has been stated that a full unaltered, untouched photograph of Planet Earth has never ever been released (i have still not
searched this but i just find this almost too silly) with all the missions and sats that we have been up there surely not? must go a searching on that one some day, interesting though that one of the NASA photo technicians has stated that a good number of them HAVE been air brushed and HOLLYWOOD'ised to make 'em look better than they should but NOT ONE unaltered one out there? really? might return to this sometime.
I know it don't stop there with regards to airbrushing with NASA...it's even been said that some of the Apollo Moon photo's with the Astronauts pictured on the Moon had to be redone? really? or restaged to make em look better (not sure if that was done on the Moon or here on Earth but it adds fire to those folks that say they didn't get to the Moon) but as for KUBRICK filming APOLLO 11 (a good film though it may make and they have made such a film) it's pretty laughable...although i do remember reading about Arthur C.Clarke saying that the found Monoliths were supposedly based on fact after someone in the know told him about them or something similar (i do wish i remember where i read this? internet? book? magazine? anyone know? I would love to find the piece again and read about it to be sure it's not my memory playing tricks with me)
There's another super mythical story that goes something like this...
After we got to the Moon & photo's taken of some remarkable discovery up there, the photo's were returned to Earth but the photographic machine processing them broke down so a NASA engineer was sent over (the photo's were in a secure complex) to repair it and he was informed by another worker about what was on them and was shown them (his face must have been a picture itself if true?) he was also informed that it was urgent because many important people had been called in to a meeting to discuss these findings (he only spoke of this many many years later after retirement)
Believe it or not? there are so many such stories, even a good few which seem somewhat credible.
Personally speaking i am fairly convinced in my own mind that we are having things withheld from us.
In short...
Do i believe the Earth is Flat? NO
Do i believe that we (Humans) went & stepped foot on the MOON? YES we better had or they'll look mighty stupid in years to come!
And as i hold those ASTRONAUTS up as 'REAL ADVENTURING HEROES' in my eyes they had better, ah the stories i bet they've told they're families and close friends must be priceless especially if they have seen those things i suspect them of seeing.
Do i believe we as a race have Encountered Strange Craft? well i have so i know this to be TRUE so YES, are they Alien Craft? who knows? but some of these things can do truly amazing things, so it would seem to follow that this might be the case right?
Do i believe that we have technology way in advance of what has been let known to us so far? without a shadow of a doubt YES.
We have probably been reaching those far off places within or own Solar System for years & so obviously (and although thrilling as this may seem it's also kind of sad in a way too that we know nothing of it) we might too have been setting foot on these worlds (Ceres, Mars, Pluto & perhaps even Titan may already have been personally visted) and we're very possibly mining them & YES we probably got THAT Space Fleet too (TRILLIONS of DOLLARS went missing!!! where did it go?)
Do i believe we have visted other Outer Planetery Worlds? Beyond our System? that's more tricky & did we make contact with aliens already?
probably YES to the latter? the other might rely on perhaps you believe the story that MJ-12 sent those folks out to that alien planet home world? in an exchange deal similar to that scene seen at the end of the film Close Encounters in which Roy Neary (Mr Everybody) gets to take his seat and vist.
So YES or NO Chris? which is it? i'm gonna plum for a NO on this one...i doubt we have visted any planet out of our system BUT never say NEVER.
Do i believe there is a BASE on our MOON? every chance i think! so i'll shock ya'all and say YES.
Lunar Mission One folks it's ok you can laugh at that one if you so wish but human or alien? there is certainly enough activity around our neighbour at this time and over the last 50 years, so to me it would make sense....hope LM1 finds it (but it's probably well hidden, underground, within/below craters or more likely on the DARKSIDE safe from prying eyes and telescopes which are getting better and better)
Do i believe there are FAR, FAR STRANGER THINGS THAN ALL OF THE ABOVE? one's that would truly SHOCK us? as that supposedly off the
record comment by that head NASA offical would suggest? 'If you knew only a fraction of what we (NASA) do you'd never sleep again'
YES, YES & YES...ALL of the above other things will eventually come to be pass and be known (i think) as FACT but there are i believe
FAR STRANGER THINGS out there.
Inter-Dimensional Beings & Places anyone? those stories of ghostly figures and the like over the centuries well might it be it was these beings?
Did we evolve from Apes as supposed by DARWIN? i bet a very large majority of you would say of course we did but i'm NOT so sure and would probably say NO...we seem to have come about in a very short space of time to my mind don't you think?
I do think we are a very SPECIAL SPECIES but we just don't know it yet (too busy killing and cheating each i guess)
If there are other Universes? do they exist within our realm? so given advanced tech we might one day be able to vist them?
(i know that would be something wouldn't it) or another realm? in which case we may not due to physicality be able to (although never say never)
Just 'WHO STARTED & CREATED ALL OF THIS'? the Big Bang! for me was NOT the start of things! probably the start for us!
Said it before but "TIME" maybe the most curious thing of ALL?
If we master that imagine what we could do? GOOD or BAD, it has been said that Time Travelling forward in time is possible even now of
a sorts (it's not really Time Travelling as we know it...as in picking a time...if we had a ship FAST enough we could whizzz into outer space
and if we kept the speed up long enough when we returned to Earth, minutes, hours, years, perhaps even centuries could have pasted so that
when we returned it's possible everyone we ever knew would be sadly long gone) but going back in time...that's far more tricky & beyond us as
of this time
So are those fast and agile ships we see close to Earth (if not ours in present day or Alien) might they be us from our past? probably NOT but
another strange one to ponder.
The Day we invent a real proper TIME MACHINE is the Day everything could go Haywire! and perhaps it already has
But really WHO cares right? it's only with regards to the path we as a species might be taking, so not too important that is it
Well i for one would like to know GOOD or BAD but sadly it's out of OUR CONTROL and lays with the POWERFUL & the ELITE.
I just hope they are making the right choices for 'ALL' of Us...I would like to think so and that they are choosing a path BEST for everyone.
Hope this was a FUN read for anyone reading it...i truly believe ANYTHING is POSSIBLE...our dying sun in billions of years time i think if we are still around we'll be advanced enough to either craft a NEW SUN to save our Planet or we perhaps be able to move our Planet somehow, surely we would want to save out HOME WORLD (if indeed this is our Home World) even if just for nostalgia and to honour ALL those WONDERFUL Souls that once inhabited this BEAUTIFUL PLANET
And with that...
Looks upward and says "LET'S GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE" (Double Points if you get the Tv Series? this line was taken from and then times that by 100 if you get the actual episode?)
The main reason usually given by them is the 'Van Halen Belt' there are two, an inner and an outer.
Some say just passing into and through this 1st inner belt would have too much radiation for us as an organic species whilst others say if we did get past this the outer belt (for a time there was actually three belts but i understand it is now gone) then the rest of space and the radiation there would eventually kill them.
So, although today i have reservations about many things NASA say with regards to things seemingly discovered and not discovered
i have to say that surely NASA would NOT get the SCIENCE part wrong, especially something as important as this?
"The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans travelled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation
hazards known by mission planners.
The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them.
Apollo flight trajectories bypassed the inner belts completely to send spacecraft through only the thinner areas of the outer belts.
Astronauts' overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field.
The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy),
much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity"
THANKS to Wikipedia for the above info but i also liked this guys response to this question also...in the end you have to trust in yourself and those you think might (hopefully) be telling you the truth, it's not always the case but we have to learn.
www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html
And a here's super graphic showing the Belts...
www.nasa.gov/images/content/730041main_20130228-mona2.jpg
I also do not understand those that say the Earth is flat! how can it be so? it makes no sense! and surely one way or another this would have been found out, it is NONSENSE, ok I have never set course by way of a compass and travelled exactly on that course setting from home to then return home having travelled around the Earth but if i did i would fully expect this to happen because the Eath is oval shaped (slightly) and NOT flat! ending up at some edge or wall (Good film that "Truman Show" btw)
It sure would be one hell of a 'Planet of the Apes' Statue of Liberty moment if by some 0.01% chance this had somehow been covererd up and it were true and we were all living on a domed planet (as i don't think these folks truly mean flat or perhaps they do ) and the same goes with...
Those that say we have not been to the MOON...take a look at those MOON pictures including those taken onboard the APOLLO 17 rover by Edgar Mitchell & i think the late Eugene Cernan who was also in the Rover? and who sadly died recently aged 82, they sure do look other worldly, so somehow they found a way to protect these astronauts from any dangerous radiation rays (as explained above) and got them back safe, I am sure they would not have sent those folks up there knowing they either wouldn't make it or would die soon after return, it seems to me that these ASTRONAUTS are
making it to good numbers years afterwards (probably another argument for those folks saying they didn't go) although sadly we have recently lost Mr Cernan and Mr Edgar Mitchell (GOD BLESS you Sir, he stood up and tried to get the truth out to you folks in later life) and Mr Glen, i do hope Buzz lives another 10 or 20 years (after this recent incident) and maybe he might even reflect upon this (if he hasn't already) and say to hell with this and let
us know just what they really saw up there with regards to APOLLO 11 & all those other MISSIONS....not holding my breath.
Mentioned this before but it has been stated that a full unaltered, untouched photograph of Planet Earth has never ever been released (i have still not
searched this but i just find this almost too silly) with all the missions and sats that we have been up there surely not? must go a searching on that one some day, interesting though that one of the NASA photo technicians has stated that a good number of them HAVE been air brushed and HOLLYWOOD'ised to make 'em look better than they should but NOT ONE unaltered one out there? really? might return to this sometime.
I know it don't stop there with regards to airbrushing with NASA...it's even been said that some of the Apollo Moon photo's with the Astronauts pictured on the Moon had to be redone? really? or restaged to make em look better (not sure if that was done on the Moon or here on Earth but it adds fire to those folks that say they didn't get to the Moon) but as for KUBRICK filming APOLLO 11 (a good film though it may make and they have made such a film) it's pretty laughable...although i do remember reading about Arthur C.Clarke saying that the found Monoliths were supposedly based on fact after someone in the know told him about them or something similar (i do wish i remember where i read this? internet? book? magazine? anyone know? I would love to find the piece again and read about it to be sure it's not my memory playing tricks with me)
There's another super mythical story that goes something like this...
After we got to the Moon & photo's taken of some remarkable discovery up there, the photo's were returned to Earth but the photographic machine processing them broke down so a NASA engineer was sent over (the photo's were in a secure complex) to repair it and he was informed by another worker about what was on them and was shown them (his face must have been a picture itself if true?) he was also informed that it was urgent because many important people had been called in to a meeting to discuss these findings (he only spoke of this many many years later after retirement)
Believe it or not? there are so many such stories, even a good few which seem somewhat credible.
Personally speaking i am fairly convinced in my own mind that we are having things withheld from us.
In short...
Do i believe the Earth is Flat? NO
Do i believe that we (Humans) went & stepped foot on the MOON? YES we better had or they'll look mighty stupid in years to come!
And as i hold those ASTRONAUTS up as 'REAL ADVENTURING HEROES' in my eyes they had better, ah the stories i bet they've told they're families and close friends must be priceless especially if they have seen those things i suspect them of seeing.
Do i believe we as a race have Encountered Strange Craft? well i have so i know this to be TRUE so YES, are they Alien Craft? who knows? but some of these things can do truly amazing things, so it would seem to follow that this might be the case right?
Do i believe that we have technology way in advance of what has been let known to us so far? without a shadow of a doubt YES.
We have probably been reaching those far off places within or own Solar System for years & so obviously (and although thrilling as this may seem it's also kind of sad in a way too that we know nothing of it) we might too have been setting foot on these worlds (Ceres, Mars, Pluto & perhaps even Titan may already have been personally visted) and we're very possibly mining them & YES we probably got THAT Space Fleet too (TRILLIONS of DOLLARS went missing!!! where did it go?)
Do i believe we have visted other Outer Planetery Worlds? Beyond our System? that's more tricky & did we make contact with aliens already?
probably YES to the latter? the other might rely on perhaps you believe the story that MJ-12 sent those folks out to that alien planet home world? in an exchange deal similar to that scene seen at the end of the film Close Encounters in which Roy Neary (Mr Everybody) gets to take his seat and vist.
So YES or NO Chris? which is it? i'm gonna plum for a NO on this one...i doubt we have visted any planet out of our system BUT never say NEVER.
Do i believe there is a BASE on our MOON? every chance i think! so i'll shock ya'all and say YES.
Lunar Mission One folks it's ok you can laugh at that one if you so wish but human or alien? there is certainly enough activity around our neighbour at this time and over the last 50 years, so to me it would make sense....hope LM1 finds it (but it's probably well hidden, underground, within/below craters or more likely on the DARKSIDE safe from prying eyes and telescopes which are getting better and better)
Do i believe there are FAR, FAR STRANGER THINGS THAN ALL OF THE ABOVE? one's that would truly SHOCK us? as that supposedly off the
record comment by that head NASA offical would suggest? 'If you knew only a fraction of what we (NASA) do you'd never sleep again'
YES, YES & YES...ALL of the above other things will eventually come to be pass and be known (i think) as FACT but there are i believe
FAR STRANGER THINGS out there.
Inter-Dimensional Beings & Places anyone? those stories of ghostly figures and the like over the centuries well might it be it was these beings?
Did we evolve from Apes as supposed by DARWIN? i bet a very large majority of you would say of course we did but i'm NOT so sure and would probably say NO...we seem to have come about in a very short space of time to my mind don't you think?
I do think we are a very SPECIAL SPECIES but we just don't know it yet (too busy killing and cheating each i guess)
If there are other Universes? do they exist within our realm? so given advanced tech we might one day be able to vist them?
(i know that would be something wouldn't it) or another realm? in which case we may not due to physicality be able to (although never say never)
Just 'WHO STARTED & CREATED ALL OF THIS'? the Big Bang! for me was NOT the start of things! probably the start for us!
Said it before but "TIME" maybe the most curious thing of ALL?
If we master that imagine what we could do? GOOD or BAD, it has been said that Time Travelling forward in time is possible even now of
a sorts (it's not really Time Travelling as we know it...as in picking a time...if we had a ship FAST enough we could whizzz into outer space
and if we kept the speed up long enough when we returned to Earth, minutes, hours, years, perhaps even centuries could have pasted so that
when we returned it's possible everyone we ever knew would be sadly long gone) but going back in time...that's far more tricky & beyond us as
of this time
So are those fast and agile ships we see close to Earth (if not ours in present day or Alien) might they be us from our past? probably NOT but
another strange one to ponder.
The Day we invent a real proper TIME MACHINE is the Day everything could go Haywire! and perhaps it already has
But really WHO cares right? it's only with regards to the path we as a species might be taking, so not too important that is it
Well i for one would like to know GOOD or BAD but sadly it's out of OUR CONTROL and lays with the POWERFUL & the ELITE.
I just hope they are making the right choices for 'ALL' of Us...I would like to think so and that they are choosing a path BEST for everyone.
Hope this was a FUN read for anyone reading it...i truly believe ANYTHING is POSSIBLE...our dying sun in billions of years time i think if we are still around we'll be advanced enough to either craft a NEW SUN to save our Planet or we perhaps be able to move our Planet somehow, surely we would want to save out HOME WORLD (if indeed this is our Home World) even if just for nostalgia and to honour ALL those WONDERFUL Souls that once inhabited this BEAUTIFUL PLANET
And with that...
Looks upward and says "LET'S GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE" (Double Points if you get the Tv Series? this line was taken from and then times that by 100 if you get the actual episode?)
Last Edit: 2 years 1 week ago by Paul Conway.