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Alternatives to Digi Me for Digital Memory?
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3 years 2 months ago #1606
by Paul Conway
Paul Conway replied the topic: Alternatives to Digi Me for Digital Memory?
Having just read Mike's carefully worded and terrific response i have to say i agree with everything you had to say, I was also happy to read Angela's quick response which does give us some answers.
I had thought this site here might have housed all the dowloaded data until reading about Digi.Me, obviously such a site needs a great deal of space to house this data so perhaps this was the logical approach.
It seemed there had been problems with the Digi Me choice but thanks to Angela's response
these would seem unfounded, reports were it was difficult and evasive but this would NOT (thankfully) seem to be the case.
We have now learned that you must be logged in to Lunar Missions to download the Digi Me software and i assume to upload your data (which should recognise both you and your account) and we also now know that you do NOT have to be connected to any social media site, very important to many current members who have stated they do not use such things as well as those that may join in the future (speaking of which...i really would like to
know how many new members we now have Angela? nearly a year on and still no updated figures, also, i was hoping that the #OnTheMoon Ad i witnessed might have had something to do with Lunar Missions but due to the lack of response it would seem not, damn, that would have been a great pair up with John Lewis's especially at Christmas time when many
look forward to their latest festive Ads)
I won't be uploading anything until next year anyway but thanks to Angela it would seem and i would hope that by this time there should be no problems.
As for the picture you might want to include well i'll probably include my father's funny mug above
Data pricing as Mike said came as something of a shock if i'm being honest.
I had expected more data for the package most of us early kickstarters had choosen, i know at that stage it was perhaps difficult to set a data range and price point but it would have been nice to have had some kind of idea.
I'm still not perfectly clear on how much data storage we have with these memory boxes?
We've touched on Data becoming much more affordable already and i'm sure as Mike has suggested that future price will drop even further and we'll achieve more data for less money ...i respect the fact that many millions (hopefully) will subscribe to this but i do hope the data provision might increase due to better technology in the future as the current data given would provide far far less than I'd imagined.
I would also like to add that data compression might be a mistake (but reading Mike's piece he would know more than I) and i would hope it won't be done this way.
We need to make it easy for futurists to access this data and not be looking for a software programme to uncompress it...Let's try and make it easy for them.
My thanks to both Mike & Angela for giving us some good questions and answers.
I had thought this site here might have housed all the dowloaded data until reading about Digi.Me, obviously such a site needs a great deal of space to house this data so perhaps this was the logical approach.
It seemed there had been problems with the Digi Me choice but thanks to Angela's response
these would seem unfounded, reports were it was difficult and evasive but this would NOT (thankfully) seem to be the case.
We have now learned that you must be logged in to Lunar Missions to download the Digi Me software and i assume to upload your data (which should recognise both you and your account) and we also now know that you do NOT have to be connected to any social media site, very important to many current members who have stated they do not use such things as well as those that may join in the future (speaking of which...i really would like to
know how many new members we now have Angela? nearly a year on and still no updated figures, also, i was hoping that the #OnTheMoon Ad i witnessed might have had something to do with Lunar Missions but due to the lack of response it would seem not, damn, that would have been a great pair up with John Lewis's especially at Christmas time when many
look forward to their latest festive Ads)
I won't be uploading anything until next year anyway but thanks to Angela it would seem and i would hope that by this time there should be no problems.
As for the picture you might want to include well i'll probably include my father's funny mug above
Data pricing as Mike said came as something of a shock if i'm being honest.
I had expected more data for the package most of us early kickstarters had choosen, i know at that stage it was perhaps difficult to set a data range and price point but it would have been nice to have had some kind of idea.
I'm still not perfectly clear on how much data storage we have with these memory boxes?
We've touched on Data becoming much more affordable already and i'm sure as Mike has suggested that future price will drop even further and we'll achieve more data for less money ...i respect the fact that many millions (hopefully) will subscribe to this but i do hope the data provision might increase due to better technology in the future as the current data given would provide far far less than I'd imagined.
I would also like to add that data compression might be a mistake (but reading Mike's piece he would know more than I) and i would hope it won't be done this way.
We need to make it easy for futurists to access this data and not be looking for a software programme to uncompress it...Let's try and make it easy for them.
My thanks to both Mike & Angela for giving us some good questions and answers.
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3 years 2 months ago #1607
by Mike de Sousa
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Mike de Sousa replied the topic: Alternatives to Digi Me for Digital Memory?
Hi Paul, thanks for your kind words
To clarify and re-state what Angela said, digi.me as used for LM1 purposes will not be hosting any data.
Digi.me offers a means to store files *on your local devise's drive* (not on digi.me servers) for LM1 digital memory boxes (DMB) that will allow LM1 to exchange that data in due course. So yes, you will house your data until the time is right and Lunar Mission One are ready to transfer it. I think the idea here is that there's a means of communicating with a program that has recorded where that data is, and can transfer that data securely. This makes the digital hand-over of your digital files much easier as certain restrictions can be made on the kind of files that go into the digital memory box, and there's a clear path to where those files are - rather than relying on users to remember. This method also ensures data is encrypted during the exchange, then decrypted when it arrives at LM1.
At present there doesn't seem to be a way to easily check how much memory is in the DMB (the personal entries in digi.me) which is required as there are restrictions on how much data each DMB holder will be able to send to the moon. Although the amount of memory available is a moving target, delivering that mechanism with current predictions would be helpful as it would set expectations about the memory allocation early on and allow users to better plan their own archive.
Paul, I guess you are referring to my mention of mp3/mp4s concerning data compression. You're right of course in that any file format (including those with some sort of compression like an .mp3 or .jpg) that are part of the archive will need to be accompanied by a clear way to read those files. This should be a discussion for the archive section of the forum which I've touched on in the past. If a file is not binary, and that goes for the vast majority of files that will be uploaded, then there will have to be a base file in binary code that will point to the means of "unlocking" every non-binary file. That is one of the most crucial elements of the archive as without that many files will be unreadable. The simplest way to move towards this is to significantly reduce the kinds of files available (at present only text and image files are allowable).
It's funny as I mentioned PDFs in my previous post. I think I did this as at present a PDF can be read across platforms, however they are also notoriously problematical to copy and would not actually be a good format to upload as every program that creates PDFs makes the file differently. The archive needs to be elegant and simple. And LM1 in discussion with the community, need to start thinking carefully about what those file restrictions are given they need to be easily read in the far future. If the restrictions are then communicated to the community, expectations are set and potential frustrations of not supporting certain file types are reduced.
To clarify and re-state what Angela said, digi.me as used for LM1 purposes will not be hosting any data.
Digi.me offers a means to store files *on your local devise's drive* (not on digi.me servers) for LM1 digital memory boxes (DMB) that will allow LM1 to exchange that data in due course. So yes, you will house your data until the time is right and Lunar Mission One are ready to transfer it. I think the idea here is that there's a means of communicating with a program that has recorded where that data is, and can transfer that data securely. This makes the digital hand-over of your digital files much easier as certain restrictions can be made on the kind of files that go into the digital memory box, and there's a clear path to where those files are - rather than relying on users to remember. This method also ensures data is encrypted during the exchange, then decrypted when it arrives at LM1.
At present there doesn't seem to be a way to easily check how much memory is in the DMB (the personal entries in digi.me) which is required as there are restrictions on how much data each DMB holder will be able to send to the moon. Although the amount of memory available is a moving target, delivering that mechanism with current predictions would be helpful as it would set expectations about the memory allocation early on and allow users to better plan their own archive.
Paul, I guess you are referring to my mention of mp3/mp4s concerning data compression. You're right of course in that any file format (including those with some sort of compression like an .mp3 or .jpg) that are part of the archive will need to be accompanied by a clear way to read those files. This should be a discussion for the archive section of the forum which I've touched on in the past. If a file is not binary, and that goes for the vast majority of files that will be uploaded, then there will have to be a base file in binary code that will point to the means of "unlocking" every non-binary file. That is one of the most crucial elements of the archive as without that many files will be unreadable. The simplest way to move towards this is to significantly reduce the kinds of files available (at present only text and image files are allowable).
It's funny as I mentioned PDFs in my previous post. I think I did this as at present a PDF can be read across platforms, however they are also notoriously problematical to copy and would not actually be a good format to upload as every program that creates PDFs makes the file differently. The archive needs to be elegant and simple. And LM1 in discussion with the community, need to start thinking carefully about what those file restrictions are given they need to be easily read in the far future. If the restrictions are then communicated to the community, expectations are set and potential frustrations of not supporting certain file types are reduced.
Mike de Sousa
www.lunarmission.gallery
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3 years 2 months ago #1610
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Paul Conway replied the topic: Alternatives to Digi Me for Digital Memory?
Thanks Mike, my head isn't quiet where it should be right now so I did miss the fact that digi me will not actually house your data...Thanks for clearing this up (my mistake)
Elegant and Simple...Yes I would agree with this...Hopefully LM1 keeps things so and in doing so anyone/thing that discovers it will be able to read, watch, view whatever it is we've uploaded which hopefully will be a lot (A Noah's Ark of Information)
Looking forward to Christmas now...and then trying it out sometime in the New Year (hopefully)
Elegant and Simple...Yes I would agree with this...Hopefully LM1 keeps things so and in doing so anyone/thing that discovers it will be able to read, watch, view whatever it is we've uploaded which hopefully will be a lot (A Noah's Ark of Information)
Looking forward to Christmas now...and then trying it out sometime in the New Year (hopefully)